Time and Tide etc…

Quick History Reset and then I can get to the place I’m headed!

 

“Ivan Samuilovich Greig (1776–1802), traveled to China but was never heard of again.”

 

No bloody wonder he got lost, never heard of again. China was jam-packed with Tartars, Turks and  Eastern Europeans!!

 

From NC :

 

Serbs in “ancient” China. 

1. N. Gumilev reports: “In Asia, the Huns weren’t defeated by the Chinese – their conquerors belonged to a nation that doesn’t exist today, known as Sianbi in Chinese. In the old days, this nation was known as Särbi, Sirbi or Sirvi” ([215], page 6).

We categorically disagree with Gumilev about the non-existence of this nation. We all know the famous Serbs (also known as Särbi, Sirbi and Sirvi) – good warriors who still live in the Balkans and don’t intend to vanish at all.

Goths in “ancient” China.

1. N. Gumilev tells us further: “Tribes of Zhundian origin [whose name is derived from the word ‘Zhun’, according to Gumilev, which is basically the same as ‘Huns’ – Auth.] united, forming the mediaeval Tangut nation . . . The Chinese sometimes called them ‘Dinlins’ figuratively; however, this name isn’t an ethnicon, but rather a metaphor that emphasises their European appearance as a distinctive trait. Real Dinlins were an altogether different nation and resided in Siberia, not China” ([215], page 30).

We are of the opinion that the name “Tangut” is easily recognizable as a version of the well familiar “Tan-Goth”, or simply “Don-Goth” (“Tanais-Goth”), which is the name of the Goths that lived in the area of the Don, or Tanais (the old name of the Don) – or, alternatively, near the Danube.

Thus, the Goths from the region of Don (or the Danube) lived in China, which is why the Chinese chronicles emphasise the European features of this nation. Another interesting detail is the claim that the Chinese Dinlins really lived in Siberia.

 The Don Cossacks in “ancient” China.

Above, and in CHRON4, we have repeatedly said that GOTHS – this is just another name for the Cossacks and Tatars. So, TAN-GOTHS, that is, DON COSSACKS, lived in CHINA. And therefore you can expect that continuing the fascinating reading of the Chinese chronicles, we will sooner or later stumble upon TATAR. Needless to say that our prediction comes true immediately. Indeed.

 

     Tartars and the Turks in “ancient” China.

Apparently, Chinese historians were convinced that the Tartars and the Turks were living in China since times immemorial ([212], pages 164-167).

“Wan Ho Wei is of the opinion that Chubu is the Qi Dang name of the Tartars . . . Their Turkic neighbours (the Blue Turks and the Ouigurs) called them Tartars, whereas the Muslim authors . . . called them Chinese Turks” ([212], page 165).

There were three primary kinds of the Chinese Tartars. “Mediaeval Chinese historians divided the nomadic Oriental nations into three groups: White, Black and Wild Tartars” ([212], page 167). This division of the Tartars into three groups is already known to us quite well, qv in CHRON 4. Namely, we are referring to the Great Horde, or Greater Russia, the Blue Horde, or Lesser Russia, and the White Horde, or White Russia.

As for the Chinese “Black Tartars”, one has to point out that there had also been Black Russia, which was indicated on the maps up until the XVIII century, qv above.

One must say point out the confusion that accompanies every mention of the Tartars, be it Europe or China. As we wrote in CHRON4, the word “Tartar” was a collective term in Russian history, which had applied to the Russians, the Turks and the actual Tartars in the modern sense of the word.

We see the same in Chinese history. L. N. Gumilev makes the following irritated comment in this respect: “What mystery does the ethnicon ‘Tartar’ conceal? . . . In the XII century . . . the term was applied to the entire populace of the steppes, from the Great Wall of China to the Siberian taiga” ([212], page 166).

The collective nature of the term “Tartar” was already pointed out by Rashed ad-Din: “Many clans sought greatness and dignity, calling themselves Tartars and becoming known under this name, just like . . . other tribes, who had possessed names of their own previously, but started calling themselves Mongols, attempting to cover themselves in the glory of the latter” ([212], page 166).

Further on, the Chinese Tartars appear to have undergone a series of fantastical metamorphoses. L. N. Gumilev reports that, apparently, “in the XIII century . . . the Tartars became regarded as part of the Mongols . . . the name of their nation ceased to exist in Asia and became used for referring to the Turkic tribes inhabiting the Volga region, subordinate to the Golden Horde, transforming into an ethnicon over the course of time” ([212], page 166).

“The Tartar multitudes (in a narrow sense of the word) were the avant-garde of the Mongolian army” ([212], page 166).

All of this is already familiar to us. All the inhabitants of Russia were referred to as “Tartars” in a broader sense of the word; however, Russia was also inhabited by the “real” Tartars, or the Turkic tribes living in the region of the Volga, or Tartars in the narrow sense of the word. Nowadays the term applies to them exclusively.

As we can see, the same was the case in China. The Chinese, just like the Western Europeans of the XIII-XVI century, confused the “Mongols”, or the Russians, with the Tartars, or the Turkic tribes inhabiting the area of the Volga.

We believe all the “Chinese reports” of the nations mentioned above, including the Tartars and the Mongols, to be European in origin. They were brought to China (on the pages of the chronicles) as recently as in the XVI-XVIII century, and then adapted so as to fit the vicarious version of the local history. This is how the Tartars appeared on the pages of Chinese chronicles, to vanish and miraculously reappear in the vicinity of the Volga later on.

 Swedes in “ancient” China.

Apparently, the North of China was inhabited by the numerous representatives of the Shi Wei nation, whose name can also be read as Svei ([212], page 132). Apparently, it is a reflection of the Swedes, who were formerly known as “Svei” in Russian.

The Chinese Swedes are said to have been a Northern nation, just like their European counterparts. Once again we see a name of a nation that still lives in Europe manifest in Chinese history as yet another phantom tribe that vanished mysteriously and without a trace a long time ago.

Czechs in “ancient” China.

“In 67 A. D. the Huns and the Chinese were engaged in a hard battle for the so-called Western Territories. The Chinese and their allies . . . laid the state of the Cheshi, neighbours of the Huns, waste . . . The chieftain of the Huns gathered the Cheshi survivors and transplanted them to the eastern fringe of his land . . . The Cheshi belonged to the Eastern branch of the Indo-Europeans” ([212], page 163).

Not only do we see a reference to the European Czechs, but also a perfectly correct mention that they were neighbours of the Hungarians, or the Huns.